12 Replies Latest reply: Apr 4, 2012 11:49 AM by Lynne Hoffman RSS

What are the positives and negatives of posting student work online?

cgasell Apprentice
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Recently, an American Literature class completed a video project where they synthesized their learning from the semester. Most of the group created some sort of video and uploaded it to YouTube for easy viewing. These videos were uploaded as public and can be easily found by searching YouTube’s site. Several students posted comments about the videos.

 

Since the students uploaded the video themselves, the teacher didn’t feel responsible for the content, permissions, or copyright (even though her name was one of the tag words.) Do you encourage your students to post their work on the web? Do you post student work on your website? What are the pros and cons of this practice?

  • Re: What are the positives and negatives of posting student work online?
    jspoerl New User
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    Hi Crystal,

    I'm so glad you brought this up today as I have been thinking about it a lot.  A middle school principal that I work with is looking for a way to share the student created newspaper on-line.  She'd like to limit it to just the school community and parents but I feel students should be able to share beyond their small community. 

    I am on the side that we should teach children how to safely communicate thoughts, ideas, feelings, etc. on the web.  This is the world they live in...the world will forever be their audience and it is our job as educators to teach children how to use the Internet safely and how to safely publish to the Internet. 

    I don't work with students directly because I am a technology trainer for teachers but I encourage principals, teachers, and others to give students a voice on the Internet.  Teach them how to do this safely and teach them that once it is on the Intenret, it is forever.  This is something that students HAVE to learn!

    I do believe that the American Literature class teacher should have gotten parent permission to post a video with students to YouTube if it was done in school.  I always suggest to teachers that they get parent permission for anything that parents find questionable. 

    Thanks for bringing up this topic!!

    -Julie

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    Kingston Apprentice
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    As a middle school computer teacher, I integrate a lot of the core curriculum into my class.  I have posted many of my students PowerPoint presentations on my school web page, unlike posting on UTube.  The plus to this is that the students know that what they create will be shared on the World Wide Web, therefore they do a good job on the assignment.  The other plus is that it is harbored in my teacher website, which means that if a student wants to share his/her presentation, they can with sending their friends/family the URL.

     

    Kingston

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    Kingston Apprentice
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    Crystal,  you stated, "Since the students uploaded the video themselves, the teacher didn’t feel responsible for the content, permissions, or copyright (even though her name was one of the tag words.)"

     

    One would think that if a teacher gave an assignment, it would be her resonsibility to grade the assignment, therefore she would know what the content/copyright would me.........just my two cents.

     

    Kingston

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    Evildad New User
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    I agree with Julie. I presume this is a high school class, and those students are already online, so this is a perfect opportunity to teach students about using the web in positive and safe ways. The work could be uploaded with comments disabled, for instance. A private channel could be created. As for copyright, I'm not sure if we're talking about the various students' copyrights, or the possible copyright violations in the students' work themselves, but again, here is an opportunity to talk about copyright: what it is, who it protects, why it exists, what are and are not violations. What students do at home with the work after it's graded isn't easily controlled by a teacher, and if the students created the work, I'm pretty sure they feel ownership. I'm glad they felt proud enough of their work to want to share.

     

    Mike

    • Re: What are the positives and negatives of posting student work online?
      cgasell Apprentice
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      Hi Mike,

       

      Yes, this is a high school class. I agree that these are perfect opportunities to teach students about responsibility on the web. In high school, the excuse often is, "I have too much content to teach." Many teachers feel like it is someone else's curriculum to teach about web use and copyright. The other problem is that many teachers don't understand web responsibility. So, I have two questions:

       

      1. Who's responsible for teaching Internet searching, digital citizenship and copyright?

       

      2. How do you help teachers feel comfortable with the concept themselves? 

       

      Great discussions so far. Thanks.

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        jspoerl New User
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        Hi Crystal,

         

        Question 1: Everyone!

         

        Question 2: PD, PD, PD!!  Teachers have to receive professional development geared toward the Internet searching, digital citizenship, and copyright.   We can't just expect teachers to know about this.  It is a great kick of the year topic for August/September professional development!  Every teacher should be able to model appropriate conduct on the Internet and it is the administrators job to make sure teachers know how to do that.

         

        Love this topic! 

        • Re: What are the positives and negatives of posting student work online?
          Evildad New User
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          I agree with Julie. Internet searching is probably needed for every class except math and grammar, so learning how to use it well is an ongoing thing, and every teacher should be able to offer some guidance. Likewise for copyright; if the teacher doesn't understand enough about copyright laws in the US to guide students, I suggest s/he spend the summer now doing a bit of research. Especially being able to explain Fair Use in relation to school work and public life.

           

          As for professional development, I don't know, I'm not a teacher, but everything I've learned about this stuff I've learned online. You kind of have to jump in and try to swim. There are tons of articles explaining these concepts; like your students, you have to figure out which ones are good and which are BS. The problem with PD is how long does it take before it's set up and offered to the teachers? This year? Next year? Can your students afford to wait?

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    rpalafox Novice
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    The idea of posting online has value. For one, good work done by students should be available to more than just people who happen to walk into a classroom. However, before a teacher posts students' work online, he/she better have all of the required acceptable use forms signed and in order. Those forms should also be very clear about what students can post and how it relates to the classroom curriculum. Of course, if students post questionable material which the teacher can't justify to parents or administrators and he/she doesn't plan to teach for a long time....

     

    It would help if the parents themselves were the first to see their child's online work. When I asked parents who had signed the form if they had reviewed their child's work online, many said they hadn't.

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    Tammy Dewan Novice
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    My husband and I have this debate all the time about making parts of your personal life public online. Being an advocate of integrating the latest technology in the classroom, I promote the use of online publishing. When reading Julie and Michael’s post about how we should teach children how to safely post on the web because this is the world they live in, I feel the same way.  Kids are posting things anyway, so we should educate them on how to do this safely.  On the other hand, my husband is not a fan of people posting their videos or information online.  Being in the military, he has been to many courses where the instructor models how someone can gather intelligence on you and use it against you.  The professor modeled how in just a few minutes anyone with Internet can easily learn about your personal life and the professor was able to find a guy’s address, birth date and even the last 4 digits of his social security number.  Now, I know this is a stretch from a student posting a synopsis of learning on YouTube, but it is definitely a topic we should continue to discuss.  I think the younger generations don’t mind having their life exposed.  Look at all the reality TV shows;) 

     

    I shared this great resource from ReadWriteThink, Help Children Play and Stay Safe Online with my 11 year old daughter.  We discussed the online profile tips to make sure she wasn’t going to post anything that would come back to haunt her later. 

     

    Tammy

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      Evildad New User
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      I just Googled "Tammy Dewan" and came up with a page of links, the top ones all coming from the Thinkfinity site. Also LinkedIn, Facebook and White Pages. One of the advantages of having a common name like Michael is that, while I show up, you have to sift through a whole lot more to find the right "me."

       

      In our online encyclopedia, we create articles about important state officials (who have a history worth documenting). One longtime public servant didn't want to give up her birth date, her office using the "identity theft" argument. Now all people who register with the Secretary of State to run for office have to fill out that information, and it's public information. Another example of how people don't realize where they've made their information legally available.

       

      In a previous webmastering job, our state archive had asked genealogy fans to list themselves as "experts" in certain family names, where others could contact them for help. They freely gave up a phone number or email address. After a few years, when it was suggested that people Google themselves to find out where their information showed up, we started getting requests to remove their phone numbers, not realizing, in their paranoia, that their phone numbers were already public information (if not unlisted) at any of the phone directory sites. (Sometimes I get calls on my cell from a number I don't recognize, I'll just Google the number, I don't even have to go to whitepages.com)

       

      In many states, your own personal property and real estate tax records are online. This is the kind of information that makes ME angry, but because tax records are public information, and anyone can walk into a courthouse and look it up freely, governments have decided that it's OK to make life easy and post it online. So make sure your taxes are paid up!

       

      I'm constantly amused at the stuff kids post on Facebook about their teachers, thinking that if their teacher isn't a friend, the teacher won't see it. But besides someone just TELLING the teacher, if I'm a friend of the student and a friend of the teacher, all I have to do is comment on the post and the teacher can see the thread. OOPS!

       

      So we really have to teach kids how to safely navigate this minefield, what's really private, what you can and should keep private, and what you can't do anything about, unless you go off the grid and literally live on a cash basis.

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      cmuller Novice
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      Hi Tammy,

       

      Thank you for sharing the Online Profile Tips.  I am sometimes surprised by what my friend and cousins post on facebook. Oh well!

       

      Thanks,

      Christine Muller

  • Re: What are the positives and negatives of posting student work online?
    Lynne Hoffman Apprentice
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    In this digital age, with the click of a button you can copy words, videos, music, podcasts, and more, but how do you determine copyright infringement?  "The Copyright Alliance Education Foundation is dedicated to developing  educational programs aimed at helping America's next generation of  creators succeed."  They have a Library of Classroom Curricula with lessons by grade and subject area to teach students about copyright laws.

     

    Lynne

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