11 Replies Latest reply: Jun 14, 2011 11:01 PM by cathyb RSS

Do you agree or disagree?

10748church New User
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I love to teach, I love to see there faces light up when they get it.  But I must admit there are some children who do not belong in the pubic school setting?  Do you agree or disagree?

  • Do you agree or disagree?
    ljudson54 New User
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    Public education is for all students.

  • Do you agree or disagree?
    wfutch New User
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    I agree that all students are entitled to a public education.  I don't believe that all students belong in a typical classroom.

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    Lynne Hoffman Apprentice
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    Personally, I think we have tried to educate the masses in the U.S. using much of the same methodology and that model continues to fail.  I believe everyone is entitled to an education, but I don't think we can educate all children using the same techniques.  Just as we are all different, our learning styles vary and we need to accommodate the broad spectrum.  I agree that all students do not belong in a typical classroom, but every student belongs somewhere in public education if that is what the parents desire, and their taxes are paying for that privilege.

    Lynne

  • Re: Do you agree or disagree?
    wizzlewolf New User
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    ALL children should be afforded the opportunity to partake in PUBLIC education. However, it is very unfortunate that the "system" doesn't seem to understand "one size does NOT fit all". I was in a workshop today that stressed a particular method of teaching. Well, the only thing I got out of the information presented was the people who developed this strategy have not spent a minute teaching the kinds of kids or classes I teach. I work with very, very, special, special ed kids.

    All these methods and procedures they are coming up with these days don't work with some kids. Therefore, it is not that certain students shouldn't be in public schools. It is that the schools need to become awake of and address the fact: all kids are not alike. Like I said before, ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL.

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    10748church New User
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    Yes, all children deserve SOME sort of education, but the physically violent, students with serious emotional needs,selected mutes,serious behavior disorders etc, does not belong in the public school system, there is not  enough support for the student, parent,teacher or the administration.  I know it may sound harsh, but think about the students who just and only have a learning disability.

     

    I have worked in both learning environments, public therapeutic day schools, the therapeutic days schools have it correct, smaller classroom size support services on site access to the support whenever their is a problem.  I know you may disagree and I know you say how can I  be a teacher but after this year, I can say this. I know this is not the complete answer but at least the students are getting some sort of help.

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      wizzlewolf New User
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      Well...............I guess this is why there are teachers like me. I teach in a PUBLIC school. I teach kids who are often violent, severely emotionally challenged, and all the other stuff that goes with it. It is fine that some people prefer not to teach those students. Some of us will do that and do it well. So I guess the answer to the question posed is "How do we get teachers who want to work with challenges students to participate and thrive in the public sector?" This is a far better solution as opposed to banishing those students from public ed.

       

      We just have to get teachers who are willling, ready, and able to do a great job with the "some kids" you mention in your first post.

      I do it gladly and do a great job. It is possible. You just have to want to do it. If some teachers don't want this kind of experience, then maybe they should choose not to work in public school. This would be a better answer than not allowing any child to attend a public school. In other words, maybe it is not about them. It is about US.

       

      Sheree

  • Do you agree or disagree?
    bcurnutte New User
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    All children belong in education with a teacher who is qualified to teach and reach the individual at their interest level.

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    10748church New User
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    I know most of you disagree,but I work in public school sector,where I get everything and I do mean everything.  The worst of the worst   these students  prevent  other students who are really trying from learning, do not tell me to get out of teaching, there are more and more students who require more assistance than I can give.  I am  caught in the middle, do I teach those who want to learn or do I just sit on my duff.  I choose to teach.   I bust myself every day so my students can feel the confidence they need to go out into the world.  Not only do I have to  deal with the students  I have to deal with the parents who have taken a hands off approach, the regular education teacher who looks at  my room as her personal dumping ground.

     

     

    In response to the question again, some students belong where they can get the support they need.!!!!

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    10748church New User
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    I know most of you disagree,but I work in public school sector,where I get everything and I do mean everything.  The worst of the worst   these students  prevent  other students who are really trying from learning, do not tell me to get out of teaching, there are more and more students who require more assistance than I can give.  I am  caught in the middle, do I teach those who want to learn or do I just sit on my duff.  I choose to teach.   I bust myself every day so my students can feel the confidence they need to go out into the world.  Not only do I have to  deal with the students  I have to deal with the parents who have taken a hands off approach, the regular education teacher who looks at  my room as her personal dumping ground.

     

     

    In response to the question again, some students belong where they can get the support they need.!!!!

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    teacherandstudent New User
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    I agree with everyone here that they are entitled to a public education. Some students who are physically violent, as you said, may need additional support in a setting removed from other students. In addition, parents may object to a physically violent student being placed in the classroom, at the possible detriment/risk of the other students in the class.

     

    Maslow's hierarchy of needs states that, after physiological needs (rest, food, etc), we need to feel safe. If students feel that one of their classmates is unpredictably violent, it does not conjure feelings of safety conducive to learning. In other words, a student who feels unsafe will not learn as readily as one who feels more comfortable.

     

    Thanks for reading

  • Re: Do you agree or disagree?
    cathyb New User
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    I believe that 'appropriate inclusion' works for almost all children in the schools.  As a teacher of k-5 kids with multiple challenges I believe that all the kids/adults in a school setting can grow when each child is included in their grade level classes at times that are appropriate learning/social situations for them.  I have 14 kids and 2 are included in recesses, lunch, specials that work for them, extracurricular activities and then receive most of their instruction in the ILC setting (my room).  The other 12 vary greatly in the times they are with their grade level classes, some up to 99% of their days, with my para-educators and myself working very closely with the grade level teachers/specialists/therapists/etc. to make the inclusion time worthwhile....not just sitting around coloring, daydreaming etc.

     

    This has worked so well for many years, with the parents/educational teams being happy with the education the kids were receiving.  Unfortunately now the administrators, and a small group of very vocal parents( who feel they should make decisions for all parents of children with special needs) are pushing for total inclusion, no matter what the child's needs or the educational team's recommendations.  This has led to very little time to teach the life skills our kids need and deserve, as well as limiting the friendships that the children can form with 'like' peers, as well as their typical peers.  It has also created very frustrated grade level teachers, who try so hard to meet everyone's needs and feel so overwhelmed.

     

    Thank heavens I work with wonderful teachers, and we try hard to create positive educational settings for all of our students!!!!

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